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Welcome to The Energy Exchange podcast by the Energy Bar Association

The Energy Exchange podcasts are conversations with luminaries across the energy industry.  The interviewees are thought leaders, CEOs, attorneys, cutting edge entrepreneurs, and experts who have a deep understanding of energy issues and are working to shape our energy future.

Why The Energy Exchange?

‚ÄčIn 2021, to celebrate the Energy Bar Association’s 75th Anniversary, we are pleased to introduce EBA Energy Exchange.  The podcast offers a consistent show with strong guests and unexpected insights.  A unique perspective on the individuals interviewed and their particular arc.  A strong and growing audience – 1,000 listeners.  To make a difference in energy policies and our discourse around energy policy and help expand the EBA’s presence throughout the country and beyond.

Who is the audience? 

Energy Attorneys, Energy Professionals, law and graduate students and undergraduates, and anyone who wants an evidenced based, real-world discussion about some of the challenges we face in generating, distributing, and using energy. 

Why should you listen to The Energy Exchange?

To join the conversation and ultimately to fashion better energy policies, strategies, and regulations.

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About our Host:


Mosby Perrow 

Mosby lives in Houston, Texas, and counsels and consults for energy companies.  He has represented a range of energy stakeholders throughout his career, including electric utilities, interstate pipelines, renewable project developers, private equity and energy startups.  He began his career with the federal government as an attorney/advisor to FERC’s Office of General Counsel, practiced law with Jones Day in DC and Houston, and recently served as Vice President and Deputy General Counsel for Kinder Morgan, an energy infrastructure company based in Houston.  Mosby is the President Elect for the Energy Bar Association and is excited to be hosting the inaugural season of EBA’s Energy Exchange.




Episode 4 - Interview with Bidtah Becker

Bidtah_Becker_-_SquareAttorney for the Navajo Tribal Utility Authority, Former Director of the Navajo Nation Division of Natural Resources. 

In this conversation, Mosby speaks with Bidtah about growing up in New Mexico as a member of the Navajo Nation, her experience as a student at Georgetown University, a mission trip to the Rama Peninsula in Nicaragua just after its Civil War and how that shifted her focus back home. Bidtah discusses the incredible history of the Navajo Tribal Utility Authority and the intricate web of regulations, treaties, history, culture, and negotiation that have shaped energy and water rights and policies in Indian Country, and how those norms are changing with the rise of a new generation of Native American professionals.  Bidtah explains how we are in an inflection point in history where we can rethink our approaches and reconsider the value of life and the intrinsic value of natural resources to our human lives, and find more equitable paths forward. 



Stanek,_Jason_(square)Chairman of the Maryland Public Service Commission, Former Senior Counsel to the Energy Subcommittee of the U.S. House of Representatives’ Committee on Energy and Commerce, former senior positions at Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC), National Fuel Gas Company, and Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Member of Committee on Electricity and Committee on International Relations for the National Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners (NARUC), serves on the Board of Directors for the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI), Center for Public Utilities Advisory Council and the Critical Consumer Issues Forum (CCIF) Advisory Committee.

In this episode of the Energy Exchange, Mosby talks to Jason about time travel through visiting hydroelectric facilities and Jason's front row seat as Chairman Pat Wood's legal advisor in the wake of the Western Energy Crisis of 2000-2001. Jason discusses the Maryland PSC's efforts to regulate utilities during a time of great change, including the challenges posed by capacity markets, getting offshore wind to market, and rolling out electric vehicles charging infrastructure. Mosby and Jason discuss equitable access to energy and some solutions Maryland is considering. Jason sheds light on the origins of Maryland's own Chesapeake Bay Retriever, his current interest in architecture, the importance of mentors, and strength from diversity.



Board of Trustees North American Electric Reliability Corporation, Retired President and CEO of the American Public Power Association, former Attorney Miller, Balis & O'Neil, Former Attorney with the National Rural Electric Cooperative Association, Past President of EBA and served on the U.S. Department of Energy's Electricity Advisory Committee under two Presidents from different parties.

In this episode of the Energy Exchange, Mosby asks Sue Kelly about her time representing Coops against the backdrop of looming bankruptcies in the wake of the Texas Blackout of 2021.  Sue shares her thoughts on making choices and being confident that life is not linear and one can always make another choice.  Mosby asks Sue to discuss electric reliability, what the blackouts in Texas may teach us, and how we might prepare the grid of the future for even more renewable resources.  Sue reveals what she learned moving from being general counsel of a trade association to becoming its President and CEO.  Sue gives a life lesson she learned from Willy Nelson, explains a gift of knitting, and tells why she joins a massive chorus to sing Handel's The Messiah every year.


Episode 1:  Interview with Robert Fleishman


Partner Kirkland & Ellis, former General Counsel Baltimore Gas and Electric, former Editor-in-Chief of Energy Law Journal, Past President of EBA and recipient of Paul E. Nordstrom Service Award for exceptional service

‚ÄčIn this episode of the Energy Exchange, Mosby sits down with Bob Fleishman, long-time energy attorney and former President of the Energy Bar Association, to talk about Bob's journey from government service to in-house counsel to private practice.  Bob explains what a PUS was at FERC and why he was proud to be one.  He talks about his experiences growing up with martial arts and how taking lawyers to laser tag skirmishes helped him lead his legal team during electric restructuring.  Mosby asks Bob about his different transitions, and Bob reveals that when he left BG&E, he thought about becoming a Rabbi.  Bob shares stories about his many years with EBA and doing pro bono work, and they discuss what receiving the Paul E. Nordstrom Service Award in 2016 meant for him.  



Episode 5 - Interview with Larry Gasteiger

Episode 6 - Interview with Former Commissioners LaFleur and Spitzer